OK! I will put cents in now. It has been interesting reading so far with term scudzy, which I totality HATE the word. So I will give you some my old history of this term scudzy. It was before I ever new of EAC or before it ever started, and even before I ever payed any attention large cents. I have been out of school for 45 year this year. So I graduated in 1967. Starting in the middle fifty in grade school I remember this word. It was used quit often some time, and I heard it used all the way though high school. The word Scudzy was used referring to some people in school. Which could stand for dirty, unclean, smells bad, shabby looking cloths, not very good looking, unattractive. I guess the boy in school used it more the the girls. So it could be said back then, (I would never go out with her, she's scudzy). So the kid that were less fortunate could be mark with this word. Which is cruel or mean. But you know how some kid can be to other some time in school. So for myself I would never use it back then and I will not use it to this day.
Yes. I am glad the term is just use for a condition and not a grade. It would not hurt my feelings, if it ever went away. The words been around so long I don't think Jack invented. I think he adopted it.
A few day ago when this all started here, I did a word search on scudzy. There was some interesting thing at can up on this word. Check it out.
Seems scudzy is not specific enough, since, if I understand correctly, it is applied to any coin whose condition
is less than "avg minus". So, a coin can be scudzy due to having excess corrosion, or it could be scudzy because
it was run over by a locomotive, or crossed paths with Molly Hatchet? Maybe for coins below "avg minus" we need a "fair", then a "poor", or other terms to describe various levels of damage/deterioration?
Scudzy, and yes I love that term, is a term of condition. You know it when you see it. Scudzy is your reaction to a problem copper and can be best understood if you could see the look on your own face when first viewing a copper. Reguardless of grade it is your first reaction to what you see. What are the first words that come to mind? ie; Wow, nice, OK, OK but.., Ah well, Oh'too bad, bummer or Oh! geez! what a train wreck!!
Originally Posted by cudabob496
FYI; I have many scudzy coppers that I really enjoy calling my own.
Well Charles, I am Pasadena High School class of 1967 and as I remember, the term was scuzzy, not scudzy. Your definition is perfect though. Since my degree is in history, not English, you could be right.
Originally Posted by charles
PS. I have checked the Urban Dictionary and both words are interchangeable. Nice to know.....Steven
Last edited by 3steven2; 06-08-2012 at 03:34 AM.
Well, perhaps, but I suspect we will all see a coin differently in many cases. Thus the phrase, "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder"
Originally Posted by copperhobbie
Ah, political correctness now comes to the field of large cents. One can no longer call a coin scudzy because the owner, or maybe even the coin, might feel insulted, or shamed, or who knows, but in some way harmed. Presumably no longer can one describe the toning of a coin--it might be considered racist, or talk about the lovely strike of LIBERTY's face (sexist). As a matter of fact, maybe we should outlaw the whole field of coin collecting, after all, aren't the faces on coins struck before 1909 all women, and coins collected by mostly men? Sounds about one step from Playboy magazine to me, no respect for women, objects of desire, etc. Perhaps we should go back, restrike large cents with men's faces (George Washington, Uncle Sam, George Clooney, Justin Bieber), to bring equality to the situation, begin to make up for 200+ years of inequality.
Going further, maybe Congress should pass a law that for every choice coin you buy, you must purchase a scudzy coin. There would be a Federal Department of Coin Equality to enforce this, watching behavior of people at auctions, auditing the books of coin dealers. The Department would be funded by a tax on coin sales, with coins over $200,000 exempt (after all, it is Congress that would pass the law).
All this because people find the word scudzy offensive in some way. The alternative would be to name the condition after some political candidate, but someone would find that even more offensive. Or we could name if after a coin dealer, no one gives a rat's patootie about them, what do you think of that, Bob?
Well, I think the term "scudzy" will eventually be replaced with a more palpable term (or several terms, that would describe a coins condition if below Avg minus). A term that one would not mind if it was applied to one of their favorite/rare coins. I suppose Bob Grellman might have a lot of clout as to what other term/terms to use. But I'm new to EAC, and don't understand all the politics/tradition, etc. I do know, as a seller, that I might say a coin is F12, net AG3, due to corrosion, but I would not advertize the coins condition as "scudzy". Just like a used car salesman would not have a group of cars in one location on his lot, that he would call his "scudzy" cars. He might say they need a little "TLC". In one sense the seller could be harmed, using "scudzy", in that he might make less income. Kinda like the window washing company in my neighborhood, whose name is not "ACME Dirty Window Cleaning", but "Sunshine Solutions"!
Originally Posted by coppereate
Last edited by cudabob496; 06-11-2012 at 03:52 AM.
There were some posts about scudzy being a condition, not a grade. Can someone please explain to me why "condition" has to mean something other than "grade"? Dr. Sheldon used the two terms synonymously, as did everyone else in his day. The rest of numismatics still does.
Only in EAC do we overcomplicate things like this. Isn't it obvious that a nice coin for the grade is more desirable than one that isn't so nice? Now that we have average + and average -, I'm sure we'll soon have choice +, average ++, average -- and scudzy +, among other intermediate conditions. Eventually, we are going to think we have to have a price guide that accounts for every individual coin known (no, yours is the F-18 Average ++- coin worth $268, not the F-17 Average +++ coin worth $266). At that point, I'll start collecting Morgan dollars.
[QUOTE=weckberg;1070] Can someone please explain to me why "condition" has to mean something other than "grade"?
Condition has to mean something other than grade because PCGS will not grade coins in (with) certain conditions (problems). So, if condition means something other than grade to PCGS condition means something other than grade.