1848 N-5 "line from N in United" ??

[cloroxat]

Recently bought the above mentioned coin although I rarely venture into
the Mid or Late dates. It was attributed and graded by Grellman. On several
of the envelopes I keep seeing "line from N in United". It's also in
the CQR. I'm soon to receive John Wright's book and Grellman's on Mid and
Late dates but hoped someone could enlighten me in the meantime. I don't
see a die crack, a line, cud or anything unusual under a 10X lens. It's mid to
late die state. Could someone explain to me what that heck this means.......thanks...scott

[charles]

There is no line stated in the CQR or Grellam's book for 1848 N-5. Did you say the wrong N number.
Gary

[beef1020]

There are marks above the N in United, to the dentils, on the 45 N5. Check out Gary's coins, very clear:

http://early-copper.com/coinpics/45n5a.jpg

Not sure what the grade of your coin is, but these lines can be difficult to see on worn coins. Additionally, later die states with flowlines can obscure the lines. I do not have either book in front of me, but Grellman goes into significant detail about what features of a die are lost as the die wears. My feeling is the book will answer your question.

Compare the MS coin above to Gary's 40 coin, still a lot of details, but the lines are much less pronounced:

http://early-copper.com/coinpics/45n5.jpg

[cloroxat]

I'm sorry you guys...it's actually an N-37.........I was thinking of an 1820 I recently bought....(I think)....like I say, I really focus on the early dates !!
Thanks for your responses. scott

[charles]

There we go. I know there was some thing not right when you you first said N-5. On the N-37 you should see a line, witch is really 2 lines close together from the right top of N. Up to left to dentil. You should also see a line from the left bottom of C in cents to left just under berry, left of C.
Gary

[cloroxat]

Gary,

Thanks.......I'll take another look when I get back home, but at this time I'm thinking someone slipped another coin the the N-37 envelope. May have to return it......

thanks again.........scott

[cloroxat]

Gary, Well, I've arrived and have looked several times at the markers you've pointed out. If I try really hard I can see an absolute needle thin,extremely thin line from the left lower side of the C heading off to the left, then under the berry. And I mean it's thin as a human hair, not like a die crack. I can't for the life of me see the line from the N to the dentil. If I use my imagination I might be able to see something. It's graded a 6/5 so maybe it's worn a bit....are these lines that super-thin? Here's a link to one but nothing seems too apparent. After looking at beef 1020's pics I'm starting to think mine are worn away.

http://www.early-copper.com/coinpics/48N37.jpg

tnx......s

[charles]

Yes you could have the wrong coin there. Be nice to check it with Bobs late date book. You did say you had a book on the way.
Gary

[beef1020]

It should also have two lines down to the right from the bottom of E in CENT, Gary's picture has them as well. I believe there is really only one die state on these as the marriage was very brief. Post a picture if you can.

[Bailey]

The 1845 N-5 has two die states with State b having a die crack through star 2.....