View Full Version : Help Attributing an 1839
04-06-2013, 12:43 AM
Can anybody help me confirm the die variety of this 1839? :confused: I know, it is a bit rough, but I bought it on a hunch and now I am uncertain. I am leaning towards a late die state of N15. This is due to the weaknesses in all the right places on the reverse, what appears to be a die crack thru the "D", and the shape of the mouth and position of L on obverse. Wake me up if I am dreaming!
04-10-2013, 12:46 PM
Yes! It looks like a late die state of N-15 to me. Nice fined.
04-10-2013, 02:23 PM
Thank you for the second opinion, if it was a common variety I wouldn't have questioned myself so much. I have one other '39 specialist looking over the pictures for me too. Because of the late die state, many of the cracks are not visible and you get the missing details and mushiness. I took a couple of higher resolution pictures and I am attaching them as well.
I have to give a huge thank you, and credit, to John D. Wright, Bob Grellman, and Bill Noyes for making the hunt so fun and productive. I have been going to every coin show and coin shop I can and searching--I think dealers get tired of me because I spend a lot of time looking at one coin! I recently bought all their books, still working on all the complete new 6 book set from Noyes but I have Vol 5 & 6.
Hey, collecting Large Cents is FUN!!!! :cool:
04-12-2013, 08:39 PM
I may be wrong, but I believe you have a N13. If you look at the difference between the area between the lower lip and chin on the N13 and N15, the N15 is rounded and the N13 is more squared off.
04-13-2013, 01:07 PM
Yes, I have been in communication with another '39 specialist and that is his opinion as well. :( I appreciate all the advice and opinions, I was really struggling with this one. I have an email into John Wright and he is going to look it over as well, but I am afraid you may be right. Luckily, I didn't pay much for it, so no loss, and I think I got more than my money's worth in studying it!
04-17-2013, 11:57 PM
John got back to me with his opinion...
"It looks like a quite-possible N-15, but I could not get a definite conclusion due to what-all did not show on your coin."
He also sent me some great Booby Head pictures to look over and I gave it a really formidable effort this evening and have to concur with John that I may have to live without a definitive conclusion due to detail. The explanation from Wetrock in the post above is the best I have at this time. I did some more pictures, focused in on that chin/lip area, and comparing it with the pictures John sent me it certainly appears he has honed in on something there. So, leaning towards N13.
I certainly learned alot and I think I could identify one more easily now if I come across one with a bit more detail for sure!
04-18-2013, 12:21 AM
I still stick with N-15. It's so much easier to have the coin in hand. But N-15 or 13 good luck Frog. Have a good night.
04-18-2013, 03:00 AM
Is there anything in particular you are seeing that led you to an N15? I have the luxury of the 'coin in hand', what should I be looking for? What I started running into as well was comparing the picture of the EDS and LDS of the N13 and they looked quite a bit different in a lot of ways, like the mouth area in particular--adding to the confusion. Were you going off the obverse or some difference in the die states on the reverse? To me, the reverse looked like a very LDS, which I assumed the N15 was the later die state than the N13, but went back and forth on the obverse. I would be delighted if you could convince me it is an N15!!!
05-10-2013, 08:02 PM
The bottom of the 9 is twice as far from the 3 as the top of the 9 = N13. On N15 those are the same width. 714715
05-11-2013, 03:31 AM
Wow, I never noticed that before Hugh, good eye! I think that is conclusive for me now, N13, thanks a bunch. ;) So...the hunt continues!!
05-11-2013, 06:58 PM
OK, I will have to work on this some more.
05-11-2013, 11:13 PM
I check the 9 with the curl and it looks like I'm wrong on this one. Looks like you do have a N-13I pulled out my N-11 and my N-13 and check it more that way. It would have been nice if I could pull out my N-15, but I don't have one yet. Have a good night all.
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