View Full Version : Who would do such a thing?
07-17-2012, 08:24 PM
Look what i found while looking through some stuff? Has anyone seen this particular alteration before? 352
07-17-2012, 08:45 PM
The first group of large cents I started my collecting career with (40+ large cents in rough condition off of e-bay) included a 1823 with a U being dug into the E... What is sad is that is still my only 1823 (don't activately collect middle dates but like having one of each year)
07-17-2012, 09:40 PM
I've seen several. Very common.
Who would do it? Someone with low moral values.
07-17-2012, 10:31 PM
Ive seen these go for lots of money on eBay with a story that can't be backed up, 'saw one on a 1793 wreath cent too! I believe that these are the result of the idle hands and imaginations of young males long ago, nothing more. very, very common vandalism.
07-17-2012, 11:14 PM
I have collected large cent for more then 30 years. In that time I have seen close to 200 large cent done this way. Which tells me this stupid word been around as lone as are large cent or longer.
07-18-2012, 03:07 PM
Being relatively new to copper, I had never seen or heard of this one. Are there other common alterations aside from love tokens?
Hey Copperhobbie--What's the story that can't be backed up?
07-18-2012, 09:19 PM
I have a 1847, VG-8/AG-3, large 7 over small 7, N-2. With that word instead of cent. I'll start it a $20.00. Is there any intrest?
07-18-2012, 10:21 PM
The story that can't be backed up is that these served any purpose at all such as brothel tokens. Please see the ebay auction I provided with my last post.
you said "Are there other common alterations aside from love tokens?" That is funny! We now know what we can call these, how about crude love tokens but yes there is no limit to the alterations seen on copper coins but none are as common as this kind.
07-20-2012, 02:27 PM
These are quite common; somebody, somewhere is probably collecting a date set. The carver's idea of sophisticated humor, I guess. I've even seen a couple made from half cents, which produces an anatomically impossible reverse! These are comparable to the "potty dollars" that equally clever individuals have carved from seated and Trade dollars.
For what it's worth, the term is not recent. It goes back at least to the 1200s and is derived from Anglo-Saxon, for whom is was not considered vulgar, as with nearly all of the '4-letter words.' It appears with a slightly different spelling in Chaucer's Canterbury Tales, written in the 1300s, so it can be considered literary, if also vulgar and shocking.
08-04-2012, 01:52 PM
Today these are best used for props at civil war re-enactments and the such. I sure wish dealers and auction catalogers would give their opinion as to whether the coin is "tooled" or only has random circulation nicks at the E in CENT.
08-05-2012, 04:10 AM
Hobo nickles are my favorite altered coin:
08-05-2012, 03:21 PM
I'm not a dealer or cataloger, but I'd bet a lot that the coin in the original post is tooled. Circulation marks just don't do that.
10-24-2012, 01:40 AM
I picked up a real nice 1850 N22 last Spring at a coin show with what the dealer referred to as "Vulgar Reverse". I got it for a junk bin price, and it has a very nice obverse, so I was pleased with the purchase. I like having coins with a bit of a story, or something unique about them, and this fits the bill nicely. I think one is enough for my cabinet. I am shocked at what I have seen these sell for on eBay. Anyone working on a full year set of this 'variety'?
11-09-2012, 10:42 AM
I also have seen many through the years.....and am currently putting together a Date Set with this alteration.....but they are becoming harder to find at the shows I attend!!!
Take it easy.....Leo
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